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Apr 05, 2010
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by: Val Serezhkin

It looks like the topic is very popular...
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Kendo-Guide.Com: Sure is!
Apr 05, 2010
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by: Raul

I cannot claim I have done 1000.  But recently I did 600 for my 3rd Kyu test.  When you do it, something inside you changes.  

You don't feel your feet or your arms but your mind goes blank for a while and you find yourself there, but not there. 

I know it does not make sense but to those who do it, it makes perfect sense.  Afterward I sparred and did other demonstrations to achieve the rank of 3rd kyu.  I hope you also try to do more suburi.

Kendo-Guide.Com: Thanks for your advice! 600 haya suburi is a lot too. Well done and congratulations!
Apr 03, 2010
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starstarstarstarstar 		My response to the post "Is it really necessary?"
by: Kendo-Guide.COm

You mentioned the points of haya-suburi.

Haya-suburi is just an exercise to get everything together and make your movements smoother and faster so that we all can be prepared for the next level.

The footwork of haya-suburi is exactly the same as that of kote strike in small
kote and men strike. So this is one more point to practice haya-suburi.

You said, "at the speed we need to do it it doesn't has form, technique, it's just a wild swing of a stick and trying not to faint or get a heart attack doing it."

I do not think you are doing it right. You should go back to the basics and learn it again. You can go over it here.

About relaxing your body:

You get tired so you will have less unnecessary strength so you can learn what really "relax" means. Of course, you have to keep going and have a strong will power to get form together even though you are really tired.

In martial arts, we train until our physical strength is all used up and from there the real training of our mind starts.

Any training can be hard, even joge-buri. So if you prefer men strike to haya-suburi, then do it as many as you can. It is really hard if you do it 1000 times.

Hope this helps.
Mar 31, 2010
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by: William

I was very interested in this question when I saw the mailing but not so much with the answer ;)

I really don't see the point of haya-suburi other than to torture and kill the stamina and muscles of the practitioner because at the speed we need to do it it doesn't has form, technique, it's just a wild swing of a stick and trying not to faint or get a heart attack doing it.

It also hurts the soles a lot (I can even venture than 90% of hurt soles, blisters and the like are the culprit of haya suburi in our dojo).

Let alone 1000, I cannot do 100 without having to stop several times due to severe muscle/bone pain and the fact that my right leg doesn't moves anymore, if not that it's lack of air.

Several other friends of mine as well, after we finish the exercise we're very tired and full of pain, and that makes all subsequent exercises horrible in form because we can't move anymore and leaves us very tired for keiko as well.

I also fail to see how doing suburi -especially haya suburi- relaxes the shoulders when they end up tense and very tired after them.

I prefer to do slow and more technical exercises (men-uchi, zenshin-kotai men) so that I arrive in keiko in top/fresh form rather than only be able to keep myself standing for a minute before panting so hard I have to stop completely.

If you're after building stamina, aren't there better exercises to do like a lot of joge-buri?

I apologize for the tone of the post, I'm not trying to be rude but I truly hate haya suburi and makes me feel like a torture training in the military when doing it, and that's not why I do Kendo for (it was a major factor of me taking a leave from kendo for almost half a year as I got fed up with the torture-training).

Answer: Your post is long so I cannot add my comment. I will add my comment in a different post.
Mar 18, 2010
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by: Raul

In the dojo (dojang) I go to, we have to do an extra 100 suburi for each exam so by the time you are ready for your first dan test, you are doing 1000.

It's a way of proving yourself and showing your dedication to the art.  Those who can do it are seen as very strong in our school.  We enjoy it and usually warm up with just 100 as a group together.

Kendo-Guide.Com:  Thank you for your post. It is very interesting. I think I am going to have my students the same :)
Mar 17, 2010
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by: Valery Serezhkin

The point is clear. Thank you very much.

Kendo-Guide.Com: You're welcome!

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