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Is it possible to train with two swords in kendo?

by Tina
(Saskatoon, SK, Canada)

I have an interest in training with two swords. Is that possible and if so how would I find an instructor?

Answer: Is it possible? Yes, it is possible. However, personally if you do not have a good instructor, I don’t recommend it.

It is said that if you practice and train chudan (the basic stance of kendo), you will be able to take jodan or nito (two swords). In other words, if you cannot do chudan well, you won’t be able to take jodan or nito.

I was reading a Japanese kendo magazine the other day and it had special articles on three well-known jodan kendo-ka.

One of them was Chiba sensei (8th dan, well-known and respected jodan kendoist). He said, “Do not take jodan because you cannot win a shiai (match) in chudan. Jodan should not be used because it is hard to fight with or it looks cool. I don’t even take jodan in my training. Many of my current students don’t even know I take jodan”.

Not only him. I mentioned him because he is one of the best jodan kendoists in Japan. Many jodan kendoists say that they believe that they should also train with chudan really well and practice jodan.

Besides, even though one-handed strikes are the main strikes from jodan, they still use both hands. In nito, on the other hand, you only have one hand to execute strikes.

You should be able to control a shinai with one hand and have to know maai (distance) well. Also you need to know the body movements and footwork.

Once you have learned chudan, it is easier to learn jodan and nito. Only easier. You have to learn them thoroughly.

About instructors. There are not many people who can teach nito. Until recently, nito was not even used in shiai (match). I think it was prohibited for a long time if I recall it correctly.

If you have not done kendo more than 15 years or if you are not 4th dan or above, I don’t recommend learning nito. You can try but learn chudan more than anything else.

Update: If you really want to know about nito, there is a DVD called Kendo Principles IV - Nito-ryu Two Swords. Nito is introduced by the world well-known Nito kendoist, Matthew Raymond. I have not watched this so I am not too sure what you can learn from the DVD.

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Is it possible to train with two swords in kendo?

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Jul 28, 2010
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Nito is Difficulty (A lot!!! I'm not kidding)
by: Anonymous

Difficulty (A lot!!! I'm not kidding)

I just started nito kendo again after a break. I had to ditch nito kendo for a tournament that doesn't allow it. I started it again and I rediscovered how painful it was today... Oh, god... The pain.

I felt my left hand (the hand where the daito is) was going to break. Then I had to spar with my sensei and I guess you could say he had a good time messing around with me like trash. :D

Don't even think about nito unless you reach shodan or higher with good arm strength and you are serious in learning it.

The usual rank you should start is at most 3 dan. Why? Because at that time you understand chudan the most I think. Me, well it kinda fits my style and I have some good arm strength (my left), but not so much anymore. So, I gotta start lifting more weights on my left. XD

Kendo-Guide.Com: Thanks for sharing your experience. Maybe you can switch your daito hand. I know your left hand is stronger but you may be able to learn more.

Nov 22, 2009
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by: Anonymous

I've watched the video... In fact I've watched them all several times.  Mostly what the video shows is the basic stance and strike. Pretty much the primary strike is the men

It also shows him going up against 2 separate opponents in a spar, he gets a couple shots in on both matches, and I think it would be worthwhile to look over to just see if it's something for you. 

(I also fence and the guy in the video reminds me a lot of fencing.  Lead hand using a shorter shinai and holding the standard shinai in an over head cut.  The lead hand blocks and deflects so the attack can occur. I fence single sword and sword/dagger.)

I've only seen this one video on the style so I couldn't tell you how effective it would really be. 

Train enough and you can be effective at anything.

Kendo-Guide.Com: Thank you for your post. The basic movements are always important and without them, kendo will become their own "style" or "ge-do" according to Musashi Miyamoto.

"Train enough and you can be effective at anything.": Strongly agree. If we train hard in chudan, we can learn anything.

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To pass 3rd dan with nito...
by: Matt

It's also important to hear something Sugawara Sensei once said to a self taught nito player who had failed for san-dan (3rd dan) "to pass san-dan doing nito you have to be prepared to show maybe roku-dan (6th dan) level kendo".

Kendo-Guide.Com: Thanks for your comment. For those who do not know about Sugawara sensei, he takes jodan. He says, "I believe that even jodan kendoists should be able to take chudan well. I?ve never taken jodan in grading (promotion exam)".

Chudan is the basic stance of kendo. I am not against taking jodan and nito. I encourage my students to learn those stances so they can learn some movements that they cannot learn from chudan. However, I never allow them to take jodan and nito when I am not around.

As long as you practice your chudan well and correctly, it is easier to learn other stances. So my advice is to learn chudan thoroughly.

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